• Not every villain
deserve a
redemption arc.
There's a reason
why they are
villains
this is too real
This is something fandom seems to have
trouble with. And on one hand it's great that
we are all so compassionate and forgiving. But
on the other, I think it makes us forget the
danger in real life villains, most of whom don't
change (and don't want to).
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    • fuck redeemable villains i wanna start seeing hero’s fall from glory
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    • I’m honestly getting tired of redeemable villains
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    • Forget villain redemption arcs! Do more “oh my god, the villain is actually right” arcs!
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    • Perfect example: The Governor from The Walking Dead, I love how they tricked you into thinking he was getting redemption but really it was always just manipulation
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    • You mean like the Peacock from Kung Fu Panda 2?
      DArtagnan 25 jun
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    • The diamonds from steven universe
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    • Steven universe fans gonna post an angry rant on tumblr about this
      thwompus 25 jun
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    • That's why I like Makarov from the MW trilogy. He's a straight up villain, and you don't feel bad when he finally bites it
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    • Steven universe literally had a redemption ark for space H!tler
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    • I’m gonna get hate for bringing up Avatar, but they did this so well. On one hand, Zuko, someone who seemed like a villain, was just misguided and a good person at heart. Azula, also misguided, and too far gone to be redeemed, but written so heartwrenching well. And Ozai, who just got str8 clapped
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    • Unpopular opinion. FUCK Snape he literally walked right past a crying baby to cry over his high-school crush after stepping over her dead husband. And then proceeded to torment Harry for years. 1/2
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    • I love freiza when he came back because they didn't try and make him good nah he still a fucking asshole and I love him for that
      sirrags 25 jun
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    • That’s why Frieza is a well written villain, he’s just such an unredeemable asshole that even saving the universe doesn’t make him even an antihero or change his ways in the slightest.
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    • I want a brutal villain everyone hates
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    • The Joker, Bill Cipher, Mojo Jojo, Lord Dominator, Aku, Frieza, Cell, Majiin Buu, Zamsu, All for One, Stain, Medusa from Soul Eater, Esdeath, Nui Harime, Ragyo Kiryuin , Junko Enoshima, all great non redeemable villains (personal favorites)
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    • General Hux: an example of terrible character writing. A brutal fanatic for the New Order, justified the slaughter of millions with Star Ki!ler Base. Has a weak redemption arc as a spy for the Rebellion over a pecking order with Kylo Ren
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    • I just want a villain that u understand why they r so evil. Like thanos. He was a villain with a retarded plan but it makes some sense
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    • Yes but even villains without redemption arcs still need to have clear motives.
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    • Zuko or vegeta may be the best example of this
      Roelarten 25 jun
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    • Father from fmab, overhaul from mha, rustal Elion from iron blood orphans, cell from dbz, shredder from tmnt, and doc oct from the ps4 spider mans game have to be my favorite just plain baddies from all of media
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    • Well written villains often deserve a redemption but don't need one. Zuko's redemption is famously good and for good reason! He was a good antagonist but a better mentor. Handsome Jack, however, recieved no redemption, his story one of betrayal and insanity, and he may be the best written villain...
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    • Okay... so... hear me out. How about have the ark that gives the back story to why they are so evil and every time the hero trys to help them it either proves the villains point or harms the villain or their goal that the "hero" cant see is happening. Thus giving a reason to be more a villain and
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    • I don’t want villains who are evil because they desire to cause harm, those people are few and far between, the best villains are those who truly believe they are in the right and force the watcher/reader/player/etc., to examine their own beliefs in order to determine which side they are on.
      Maelthus 26 jun
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    • I personally prefer stories of how people fall, and shows that symbols of peace, heroism, and that everyone is human, and can fall to their desires, and break after enduring enough.
      Kranis 25 jun
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    • Thats why I love villains like Doflamingo from One Piece. Absolute asshole and will never get redeemed. Yet he is still such a good character.
      Erlomast 25 jun
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    • Certainly a thermite moment
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    • Being redeemable is the quality of a good villain. That doesn't mean they need to be redeemed. Thats why Darth vader is probably the most well written villain
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    • ......Abby
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    • The lannisters from game of thrones are just the best villains ever tbh (tywin, cersei and Joffrey) the contrast between all 3 of them, but they're all so evil in their own ways, tywin is controlled evil, only doing things he must for the benefit of his house, cersei is manipulative and evil, never
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    • Half of LOU 2 was about the main villian like we gave a shit
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    • All for One
      TomClancy 25 jun
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    • The problem is redemption arcs usually happen over a season or a few episodes. It gives no payoff for watchers to see someone slowly grow and actually redeem themselves. There is a reason why everybody holds Zuko up as the gold standard. It took 2/3 of the series for his arc
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    • The dragon prince : Viren
      L0ST_B0Y_ 25 jun
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    • Azula
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    • Steven Universe has this issue
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    • The lich from adventure time
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    • I do like the "villian is also right arc".
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    • "YoU DidNt pUt a SiNgLe LiKe" stfu I dont give a shit stop reminding me every 5 minutes
      _Tano 25 jun
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    • I think a story can only be made better if a villain is presented with an OPPORTUNITY for a redemption arc. Ori and the blind Forrest did both well. In the first game, the villain is revealed to be a heartbroken mother who makes the right decision in the end to right her wrongs
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    • Having a change of heart when you have lost and are dying doesn’t count.
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    • Rather than redemption arcs, I propose prequels that show them going from the hero that they thought they were to the villain that they became. That's why I actually liked Borderlands TPS.
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    • Have to say my favorite pure evil villain is The Major from Hellsing Ultimate.
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    • i have a villain for my dnd campaign who isn't meant to be redeemable, he wants to completely annihilate humanity but to him his cause is righteous because he believes if the humans are gone the world won't be destroyed by their actions. he isn't a human, he's a racist demon. i have-
      SnuWolf 26 jun
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    • Ha, the fandom being “passionate” or “forgiving”? If you say something like “I don’t think you should ship a child and an adult” or “I don’t like the show” they act like you’re the reincarnation of satan.
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    • Fuck redeemable villains. I want heroes that go turn evil
      MistahT 25 jun
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    • someone pointed it out on youtube, but when everyone started doing redemption arcs, the villains just started getting nastier and being worse people
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    • I’m more sick of one dimensional villains who never change and exist as just a hurdle for the protagonist to get over
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    • Never forget that humans are complex, that viallains have sob stories, heroes have done bad things, that some people don't want the world to burn and others like looking at it from above.
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    • Lord Business from the LEGO Movie, Marlize DeVoe and KilIer Frost from The Flash, Loki from the MCU, etc.
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    • If they ever turn Frieza good dragon ball is dead to me.
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    • I shipped Ember and Danny Phantom. One of them develops a crush for the other slowly. The other finds out and is discussed or takes advantage, but slowly feelings grow. Still working on it. Here's the full Ember song
      LexxsH 25 jun
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    • Here’s the problem. Not everything is black and white. Osama Bin Laden worked for the CIA as a sleeper. Sometimes people just snap and start to see the bigger picture
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    • HAWKS DID NOTHING WRONG
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    • Vaas from far cry 3 was the perfect villain in my opinion
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    • Also need more the hero falls to being the villain
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    • Fuck redeemable villains. Gimme more villains who consider themselves beyond morality. Gimme more Hannibal, more Martinet Duleth. People who consider the power they hold to bring them above the rest.
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    • The best villain is someone who will perform horrible atrocities that ultimately saves everyone.
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    • Fuck redemption arcs
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    • I wish Hi.tler had gotten a redemption arc where he ends up marrying a Jew and makes up for the six million he kiIIed by forcing the rest into forced repopulation camps
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    • Joker
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    • ... i think people are getting kinda confused... a redemable villan doesnt mean they always want to change, in my eyes, its some quality, or some instance that justifies there actions enough to their character to explain WHY they're being an asshole... like azula's revelation ark.
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    • zerosober 25 jun
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    • people always want the villain redeemed if they have a sad backstory- but honestly, I'm a slut for tragic characters. A villain who was doomed to be a villain from the start and has gotten to the point where they can't go back is a pretty neat villain to me
      crabbin 25 jun
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    • Not every hero needs to be incorruptible; some heroes can change for the bad. Just look at Anakin, he was the chosen one
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    • Well wait just a damn minute
      Cumreo 25 jun
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    • The reason why they are villians is the focal point of why the redemption arc happens. The point of the arcs is not just to make an interesting story or character, but it serves the purpose of teaching people to think more deeply as to why people go bad and maybe have understanding...>>>
      JamX 25 jun
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    • I consider my father a villain, should he deserve one?
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    • Did you mean... Loki?
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    • All of mha fans being angry that a HERO k lled a SERIAL MURDERER. Like shit I know we got a whole arc of them, but it was also meant to show they are not redeemable, they're murderous, callous, unfeeling, psychopaths who just wanna k ll more people.
      Fuzzee 25 jun
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    • I was talking to my dad and brother about this. I just wanna see a villain who enjoys being a bad guy. I don't really care what the context is. Just show me the fucked psychology of a person who is trying to blow up the world just because he wants to do it. Or start a war just for a good fight.
      RecSteady 25 jun
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    • I'd like to see a villain with the capacity to change, and almost does at one point, but then their demons get the better of them and they become more evil than ever. Raistlin from the Dragonlance series had that kind of arc, but then he later got a redemption arc right before he ::spoiler:: died
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    • Fuck yea this is why frieza is one of the best villains of all time
      SCP2244 25 jun
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    • Everyone can be better. Forgive but don’t forget, criticize but don’t ostracize, and take explanations but not excuses. One of my friends used to be a dick nobody liked but I treated him nicely and made him take responsibility and now he’s better.
      Milk_Gang 25 jun
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    • You mean like Megatron or the Lego Joker
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    • I like villains that you can kinda understand but don’t get a redemption. It can make you think about them in a different light while also maintaining that standing of villain.
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    • I write stories with classic villains: no moral dilemmas, no sympathizing for them, they're evil monsters who die in the end, very black and white stuff. The world doesn't need anymore confusion
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    • “Everyone wishes for a hero, when sometimes a villain is what they truly need.”
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    • Yeah I prefer power ranger villains with no depth
      FluidGuy 25 jun
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    • One redeemable, mid-tier villian is usually acceptable
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    • “It’s totally not mark” on YT has a video series on dragon ball going a bit into the different kinds of villains. Some need/deserve redemption, to show us that though we make mistakes we can still atone. Some can be redeemable, but never atone to show us the possibilities if we don’t change our ways
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    • Kipo and the age of wonderbeasts did this well
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    • The Media
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    • Look up the musical of Hunchback of Notre Dame. Holy shit, Frollo isn't still redeemable, but wow. Look it up.
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    • Villains don’t need to always turn good, but they need depth. Good movies provide nuance and give both sides legitimate motives
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    • I would like to see a Kim Jong Un redemption arc for a 2020 event tho
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    • “You can change for the better...” “Fuck you and fuck that!”
      DankSans 25 jun
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    • Fuck that stark should have lived
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    • Kylo ren deserved a redemption arc he wasnt evil just traumatized manipulated and betrayed
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    • Funny Valentine did nothing wrong
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    • chang from community had a redemption arc as kevin then BAM twas a lie
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    • Thank you. I noticed as well that all movies nowadays are trying to subvert the usual tropes , which was cool for a while, but now it seems that's all they're trying to do, becoming meta commentary about meta commentary and so on, hence why theyre churning out so many remakes lately
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    • I don't remember wich show, but the story goes. >The villain destroy planet and keep the survivor as trophee. >She keep winning until the very end, where it remains one planet, she lost and the hero who never gived up on offering chance to people, give her another chance and see just look, +++
      Chimik 25 jun
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    • The difference is, a redeemable villain never crosses the moral event horizon (such as murder or genocide). But cartoons cough*stevenuniverse*cough will have absolutely horrid villains and try to redeem them, when it just doesn’t work like that
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    • I miss when we get villains that we don’t want to redeem. I want those villians that you just hate and want dead more than your next breath. I want BAD guys
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    • Bakugou.
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    • Meh its fun to watch CERTAIN villains become more heroic, like have you seen harley Quinns new animated series. Also some heroes becoming villains is fun
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    • Your compassion for real life criminals because of the fiction you consume is causing a noticeable increase in crime in the US.
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    • Vegeta is the greatest redeemed villain of all time
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    • Chara deserves to burn in hell and no redemption arc could possibly save her
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    • The problem is when they give villains a good reason to be so. Having them be smart and logical. These things should logically lead to a redemption arc.
      nasumaki 25 jun
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