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Tracy Edwards, Ed.D.
My parents seem genuinely shocked
at my class policies. Yes, your 5th
grader may redo any test or quiz. No,
I don't care how many times they
choose to retake it. Yes, they can
turn in that assignment late. I'ma
whole adult that requires grace mercy. I can extend that to kids.
These policies can help to improve the mental health of students
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If the point is for the children to learn, then why wouldn't you give
them as many chances as it takes? What is the benefit of telling a
child "you failed and that's the end of it"?
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I'm 25, and in my trade school, our tests aren't judgement, they're
testing to see what we've retained, and identify what we're
missing.
If I weld a joint, and the CWI comes up behind me with a
radiographic test for it and finds that I just laid hot metal on cold
metal or it looks like a sponge inside, you know what's gonna
happen? You think they're gonna give me a low score and tell me
to move on? Fuck no. They're gonna hand me a grinder and tell me
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    • My wife has been in college for the last 5 years and one thing that always fucking irked me is that she's never allowed to see her tests after they're graded. If she gets an 80% she has no way of knowing what questions she missed and why. Now how the hell are you supposed to actually learn that way?
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    • To everyone disagreeing with the teacher: Better to teach young kids to keep trying until they master something, rather than not understand what they are doing and just move on. Kids learn, adults accomplish.
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    • It is also unhealthy to give them too many chances. It teaches them that mistakes have no consequences, and doing it over is always an option. That is not good for young people to learn, especially nowadays.
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    • I'm all for multiple attempts for children! But at some point they have to learn to keep deadlines. I had a University professor who would let us write explanations on missed test answers for half points explaining why we chose what we did and how we missed the correct answer.
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    • If I'm an engineer designing a bridge, I only get one shot at the design. If I fail, so does my bridge. Some things you only get one chance on, a singular deadline to meet those expectations.
      Slickpic1 29 jul
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    • This is good for children, but as they move up in education levels it should become stricter since some jobs only give you one chance
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    • I would like to point out two things here. “Retaking” the same quiz over and over is not teaching is memorizing. Humans are extremely good at doing one task repeatedly. We are effectively biological robots and autopilot habits are where we thrive. Second, if your mistake leads to the
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    • Ok but listen. I’m a student teacher and I’m all for retakes and given the appropriate amount of time to turn stuff in... BUT kids abuse the shot out of it. School I’m currently at doesn’t have turn in dates, only due before the 9 weeks and they’ll turn in week 1 shit week 9 with 10 damn reminders
      Listen 30 jul
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    • I'm all for second chances. Take a test once, see what you missed on, study what you missed, then take it again. But if you let kids retake tests as much as they want it's no longer about learning what you're behind on and more about guessing until you get the right answer which is way worse.
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    • See how many times your boss forgives you when you consistently fuck up and waste their time and resources. Especially when there's 10 other people who want your job, and they can do it right the first time. Hope you liked having good references in your field you paid to learn while it lasted, too.
      Forsooth 29 jul
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    • In my trade school if you fail you fail. You're a grown man you had your whole life to figure it out. And as far as school goes. I was by no means a good student but deadlines teach you time management and responsibility. You keep coddling kids they'll never make it in the real world.
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    • People in comments sections of iFunny literally think they are gods gift to the world and it’s really funny to see the insecure people try to look like they know what they are talking about.
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    • Did y’all have welding in high school, mine did, but I didn’t take it
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    • I say second chances if they show promise, no more than that. Can’t be letting them retry everything in life.
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    • You know you’re spoiling them by doing that, right? Eventually they’re going to have to learn to do things the right way. Sure, all fine and dandy to fail as many times as you need until we have another Challenger mission on our hands
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    • Yeah. This is a great idea... I can just see an employer say... oh it’s ok to F-up. The business will just absorb the cost.... people like this have NEVER worked in the real world... we are doomed.. The great American Public School system.... useless.
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    • Dumb participation trophy logic. The point of homework and class work is to try, ask questions, and prep for the test. This policy also undermines people who do good work in less time, which should be judged as more valuable (aka, higher scores)
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    • MNBRAC
      Why teach them to fail?
      MNBRAC 29 jul
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    • This doesn't work because a lot of kids just don't give a shit. If you tell them it's no big deal and they can take however long to work on it as they need then they'll never do it at all
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    • I went to trade school and made$445,254,434,887,4355😎
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    • No deadlines? See how that works out for you in the real world. Good luck explaining that to the IRS.
      tweb 30 jul
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    • How about we do away with graded tests and just do tests to see where they need help so we can you know... help them.
      GTOnizuka 29 jul
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    • The point is also teach the child responsibility. Making deadlines are relevant defeats the point.
      Heron 1 aug
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    • When they are younger it’s okay or maybe if they were having a rough time for older kids but I was a TA in highschool for awhile and teachers would be merciful with deadlines and then a bunch of kids would turn in stuff late or right before the end of the quarter and grading period giving the
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    • I think high school and school in general bred me to be a perfectionist so when I fuck up, I hate myself beyond comprehension. I bombed my first semester of college with 4 F's and I legitimately wanted to k!ll myself. I was too afraid to ask for help when I didnt understand->
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    • Imagine going into life with a mentality like this. Example "ah my bills are due, its ok I'll just retake them." Life is stress and that part of school is to help you get ready and punctual. Life isnt gonna let you do retakes. Its better to let kids gradually get stressed in school, then to let
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    • Yes this is good because real life works like this too! If I turn in a report late, my boss doesn’t care! If I mess up the project I’m working on, I can redo it as many times as I want!
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    • I see what theyre saying. Its good to an extent. But there are times in life where getting something right the first time is critical. (Doctors, engineers, etc) And deadlines are something important you need to get used to managing.
      tweb 30 jul
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    • I feel like there is a danger in giving too many chances, but the lesson that is being taught is (in theory) important enough to need learned. So if a student really can’t get a hang of it, maybe extra help is in order, but I agree that it is creating a terrible work ethic in most people (1/2)
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    • Y’all act like school is the hardest shit to do. It’s basic shit. Life gets way harder. Kids think they get unlimited tries. A lot of life is one try. Go ahead and mess up your taxes. Go ahead and mess up someone’s house or equipment. See how many second tries you get. There is no room for failure.
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    • In trade school I learned by messing stuff up. Often times I would need to completely restart a project bc if at any point I messed up the job would be scrap metal. Now that I’m working I rarely make mistakes bc I learned how to not make them. That approach doesn’t work for academics tho
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    • My high school did this! I learned at my own pace and the people who learned quick would take college credit courses for significantly less cost! People like me, who have learning disabilities, were able to pass and thrive. While the other kids got ahead and saved money in tuition!
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    • I was good in chemistry. One time I had studied for a test by the book and was ready for the exam. My buddies were lost so I helped them by handing the answers. Then they all got As. I got a B
      Cakaki86 30 jul
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    • "You dont think theres deadlines in real life???" no, I do. that's why I'm going to give people second chances to learn and better themselves in a safe environment.
      KdawgTB 30 jul
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    • For the people that are like "in a real job like coding you only have one chance" objectively not true. The only people I've seen fired so far are the 2 people who aced an interview, then wrote goofy code and refused to think about it ever again. They both used the mindset that they've got-
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    • I agree that they need a second chance, but they also need to learn about deadlines and accepting that even when they try their hardest, sometimes it just doesn’t work out that well
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    • I like the sentiment and the goal of a teacher should be to make sure their students learn the material. But in the working world if you can't meet hard deadlines you're not going to last very long
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    • The last few years before my mom retired, the high school mandated that. The amount of extra time and work that my mother was required to do for constant retakes for assignments and test, most days she wouldn't get home until pasted 9pm...and her day started at 7 am. This included every gradeable
      LiberTea 30 jul
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    • Depending on your career path so many school rules don’t make sense. I still ask my managers to use the restroom and each time they look at me like I’m retarded. “You’re an adult, just be quick about it.”
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    • Here at work, I have a deadline, and no redos. Get ready for the shock of the real world kids.
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    • My grandfather is a tenured professor at the University of Iowa. He allows more lax deadlines (as long as you show him something at the deadline) he will grade your work and allow resubmissions and work closely with students that ask for help.
      spursftw 30 jul
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    • Issue witht the multiple test retakes is that they also allow you to learn nothing. I had a course in college that allowed you to take the multiple choice test as many times as you wanted. You take it 4 times and get 100% because it tells you which questions you got wrong.
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    • People are acting like teachers have endless time on their hands to grade. Most teachers make less than minimum wage because of their salary and the time they already spend preparing for class.
      jjai 30 jul
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    • So, get back bad test, memorize test answers, pass test.
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    • What's the difference between a "whole adult" and just an adult? I can understand allowing ONE retest but if I as a kid had unlimited chances then I'd never study I'd just keep retaking until I get a good grade from repetition
      reducto 29 jul
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    • I think quizzes should be retakable, but not tests. Sometimes you really do only get one chance at something.
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    • Yea I’m in need school and I messed up a simple heart surgery, the patient died but the important thing is I’ll get a second chance to fix it. In some scenarios it’s important to give second chances, but we must also teach kids that consistency and responsibility
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    • The point of testing and failing isn't always about learning. Most of school is literally just weeding out who can retain the most information in the shortest time. Grades aren't a measure of knowledge but they do measure how much effort someone puts in. Anyone can get an A but not everyone is smart
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    • I mean in that could definitely work for young children maybe up for grade 4 or 5, that could help with not developing a strong anxiety towards school work for the later grades but in adult life it wouldn’t work very well if school was like that all the way through. And yeah maybe some schools 1/2
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    • The problem is that a lot of them will just get the answers from a friend and not actually learn it but I guess if you mix up the questions it seems like a good idea.
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    • People love jumping through hoops to show that failing is okay. Let’s use another profession: if your applying for a coding job, chances are they’ll make you solve a problem in a script. If you fail, that’s it. Person B, who succeeded the first time gets the job, you get the door. Yes, there are —
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    • Fucking morons. Go ahead and baby kids their whole lives and don’t teach them failure and that there aren’t always second chances. See what happens. See what kind of entitled brats u get who throw a fit when things don’t go their way
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    • I had to pop an Advil
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    • So you're better off taking the test once and failing because then you know exactly what's on the test and exactly what you need to study.
      tweb 30 jul
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    • I think the point of only allowing one test is to make kids take it seriously and study. Which has the opposite affect on most I'd say. Allowing multiple attempts however would give a kid a reason to better themselves because the grade they want is achievable eventually.
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    • Nothing works at launch for a totally different reason, but ok.
      heLa_x 30 jul
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    • As with everything, there is a balance. Structure, organization, and deadlines help develop good habits. Grace, and a focus on learning, not scores, helps them to retain information, and not feel so pressured as children to be perfect.
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    • As a high school American history teacher, the only tests I give are ones that the students create themselves. They have anonymous notebooks where they can write questions at the end of the period and I answer questions the next class day. They have the chance to write the answers down and 1/2
      mlssk 30 jul
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    • Yes you should have a chance to fix your mistakes in school. HOWEVER it should also be known that the consequences of going into a test ill prepared is failure. They should not be able to get an A or whatever grading scale you have. Give them a C, tops. You failed, you got better.
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    • Last minute projects
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    • It’s 5th grade not Harvard medical school
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    • The worst part of university is the damn timed tests. Or missing points cuz of small mistakes made on literally showing your work. Cant stand that bs
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    • I would love to do this more! My school's current policies say I can not give my students an opportunity to retake bombed tests because it undermines our college prep mission. I say change college too
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    • Sounds like whiney ass liberal propaganda
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    • Okay here’s the thing. Teachers have lightened up on these sort of “harsh” policies that the older generation had to go through in the name of “mental health” right? Well are they saying that those harsh policies caused mental health problems in the older generation? Cuz I’m not seeing it. I think..
      Naomdo 1 aug
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    • Trade schools rise up
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    • As another welder I tip my hood to you
      _JBOMB_ 1 aug
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    • Well here's a big ass trophy for half assing your attempt to half ass it
      Kbiz3184 1 aug
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    • I had a math teacher in high school who would make the tests really difficult, but would then give the opportunity to do thorough corrections to get half the points back. Was a good system I think
      svalfish1 31 jul
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    • That’s why there’s multiple assignments and test. You mess up a test and learn what u don’t know and work on it
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    • So when the surgeon k1lls you in surgery while he’s in medical school, how do you proceed?
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    • That’s great for school, especially 5th grade, I’m all good with it (it’s an opinion), but eventually that mind set must be changed. You can’t tell the bank “I’m gonna be late on the mortgage” or your boss “I’ll get it done next week for my mental health” it doesn’t work like that
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    • I'm studying to become a professor of history (phd) and I always think of how I would lead my classes. I think I would give tests rarely but allow up to two retakes on them. However, I will shuffle the questions but remain on topic. I won't assign homeworks but I will assign papers.How's that sound?
      Hind 31 jul
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    • I cant believe no one explained this to you guys. Failure is a part of life. Doesnt mean you cant accept that failure and learn from it. Go to your teacher after you do poorly and learn the material. They will help. Then do better next time and earn your grade. You will feel better. That is life
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    • I’m gonna rant about the school system real quick, because I was recently bitch slapped by it so hard it’s hand print will remain as a permanent facial feature. The school I go to has a dual enrollment system. Which means that if my gpa meets the requirements then I can take college classes that 1/?
      Ruqaito 31 jul
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    • Yeah that’s easy to do when you are in fifth grade and learning basic shit
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    • The difference between going to trade school and college is doing stuff right the first time lmaooo
      che3seman 31 jul
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    • Redoing a test should only be allowed if the second test is different (but not too different)
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    • I do think there should be some sort of punishment for not turning an assignment in on time unless the student has a valid excuse. It helps teach time management which is something they’ll need in their life. However, I fully agree with the test and quiz thing but I would change up some of the 1/2
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    • Now I’m not saying this is wrong but some kids are inevitably gonna take advantage of this. Then in the real world, they’re gonna learn that you can NEVER submit ANYTHING past the die date. Maybe do this with younger children since school is something new to them but for older kids (1/2)
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    • This only works if the passion and drive is already ingrained for the material otherwise it does more harm than good
      GRex 31 jul
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    • You should have a policy for overachievers though, I don't know something like "if you score 90% or above, you cannot have another retake" since some students who got a 99 will take it again to be "perfect"
      sewd1289 30 jul
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    • I swear tumblr just has the fakest deep takes after twitter and tik tok. Like sincerely, this would never work as kids would just abuse this and just start to remember what answers were right and what were wrong and not organically learning.
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    • My senior history teacher gave us a MASSIVE packet on the first day of school and told us it was due by the end of the semester. Every day he went over the subject of that day but we worked at our own pace and we could work on other classes as long as we weren't disruptive.
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    • One chance tests are bad, but so are unlimited retries. Either the entire class gets held up, the student falks behind, or the student us forced to study two things for one class. The welder up there is going to be surprised when they find out most welding jobs have a 3 strikes policy. Theee bad (1)
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    • The thing is, schools weren’t made for you to learn. But rather learn to pass. Hence why a LOT of shit you have to figure out on your own growing up (i.e. Taxes, Homeownership, Parenting, Politics, etc)
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    • I dropped out of highschool because of this, in a way. I was being bullied very badly, so I stopped going, but the state got ahold of me and made me continue to go. But it was halfway through the year. I was doing good in the classes I had, I even had straight A's. But once the school realized ...
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    • Sounds like me playing kerbal space program, 39 attempts to get a vessel that didn’t fail to hit altitude or burn up using only solid rocket boosters for those suborbital tourists
      carioca91 29 jul
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    • I feel like that’s giving too many chances. While giving some extra time on assignments and retaking a test may help some with learning, some kids are going to take advantage of that and not put in the effort to learn.
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    • It teaches them that most of the time you only have that one chance and if you screw it up you can’t retake it or turn in late if you turn something in late most likely you’re gonna get fired
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    • I don't know if I wanna go to trades school or college
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    • I’m not reading that. This is ifunny not Reddit. This app is meant for cancer memes and that’s all.
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    • Incredibly dumb logic. You want to teach a kid “grace” but if they never experience the hard lessons of “consequence” they won’t know what grace really means. This is dumb stuff adults say to appear “woke”.
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    • As a teacher, I can tell you that the "do it as many times as you need to" is complete bullshit and creates awful students and shit employees. Do you think they do the material to get the 100%? No, they take it til they get a 60% and pass
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    • The point of school is not exclusively “to learn”, most of the reason you’re teacher sets dates on assignments or doesn’t let you retake a quiz is because it’s to teach out how to be an adult, in the real world you can’t just do a real shitty job and ask your employer to try again 5 times, and you..
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    • For those saying that it teaches that mistakes have no consequences, you do realize that you're completely wrong right? It teaches that theres a different consequence. The consequence that you have to start the fuck over and get it right. People don't like doing shit over and over again ->
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    • Ya just let a surgeon or engineer try 10 times. No reason to actually study and get it right the first time, right? I guess mistakes don’t have consequences
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    • I get there is a lessen to learn here, but realistically life is full of deadlines. They can be launch windows to reach Mars, or have a kid before you run out of eggs, or turn in that proposal or you have zero chance. Deadlines do exist.
      BigOmy 29 jul
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